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The UK’s ban on protest at abortion clinics has gone into effect. Prayer warriors beware! The children of satan are coming for you!
From the article:
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A British ban on protesting outside abortion clinics went into effect on Thursday, though it left a question mark over whether anti-abortion demonstrators who pray silently will be breaking the law.
The law, which applies to England and Wales, bars protests within 150 meters (164 yards) of clinics. Scotland and Northern Ireland, which make their own health policies, recently enacted similar bans.
The new rules make it an offense to obstruct someone using abortion services, “intentionally or recklessly” influence their decision, or cause “harassment, alarm or distress.” Offenders face a fine, with no upper limit.
The buffer zone rule was passed 18 months ago as part of the previous Conservative government’s Public Order Act, but wrangling over whether it would apply to silent prayer protests, and a change in government in July, have delayed it taking effect.
The Crown Prosecution Service says silent prayer near an abortion clinic “will not necessarily commit a criminal offense,” and police say they will assess each case individually
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Wow, you can get into trouble for changing someone’s mind about going through the abortion process? That, right there, is pure evil intent. The love doing this to children.
As a warning to those silent prayer warriors … each case will be evaluated on a case to case basis. Essentially, that means they can prosecute you if they deem you broke the law. Watch out repeat offenders!
UK = 😈
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Britain has banned protests outside abortion clinics, but silent prayer is a gray area
The topic of abortion is really sensitive I know. Punishing people for expressing themselves is orwellian. Simple. You have the government stepping in and telling you cant express yourself freely is frightening. What’s next? You’re gonna be jailed for being a Christian?
Pro abortion or not, this should frighten UK citizenry. It is dystopian. It is overreach. It is anti-freedom.
What is made very clear here is anti-Christian by banning people “silent praying” … meaning “not bothering anybody.” Why? Is it because the prayer may cause divine intervention from a fetus being aborted? I think so. The devil knows prayer is powerful and can hault an abortion. Plan and simple. The UK government is disgusting and anti-Christian heathens! The devil is in the details in their motivation.
Also, the UK going after people convincing someone from having an abortion too?
THIS IS SATANIC MOTIVATED. PERIOD. THIS IS DIABOLICAL.
Everyone needs to clean up their own houses. Even AA knows this (allegedly…it’s in their Big Book).
Well it’s not okay to harass women who are already going through hard times. And in UK its so bad now, many people are barely surviving themselves, they have no capacity to bring children into the mix.
Are these protesters going to support the children they saved? No they won’t, cause once the kid is born they don’t care. It’s all optics.
Abortion is murder no matter what! …and there is no justification for murdering a baby! Furthermore, when encouraged by law and its gravity ignored by people it degenerates into societal suicide. Killing babies is not solving problems and as a bonus people that resort to this put their own salvation at risk. No one is talking about all those women that lose their lives when having this intervention. Who benefits from this, anyway?
Babies cannot defend themselves, can they? We all talk about people’s rights, women’s rights. What about babies’ rights?
Look it’s great to be idealistic, but reality is gritty and ugly.
And no matter what, I will always value a life of an already existing woman over a life of an embryo that is not fully formed yet. “Baby” does not exist yet.
It’s not like they are doing it happily like it’s nothing, a typical Tuesday. There’s a plathora of reasons, ranging from financial, to medical, to mental, to being raped and etc.
It a very scary and invasive operation. These women are already scared and distressed and they don’t need to be harassed by some idealist who knows nothing about them and their situation.
And btw, even when abortions are state-banned, they are still performed, just very unprofessionally and even more women die. It is what it is.
So you’re into sacrificing babies.
Did you break your back making that stretch?
Truth hurts, indoctrination is not an excuse bud
Nah, I just “love it” when people who will never have to face this sort of decision and deal with the aftermath speak from their high horse.
There is no grey area with this. You either support babies being sacrificed or you don’t.
There’s plenty of grey area actually.
Some children have severe flaws in their development, their life would be a never ending suffering for them and for their parents.
Some pregnancies pose a death threat for the mother, do you still suggest mother should die but keep the baby?
Some people are not mentally there and would not be able to care for the kid.
Some are so poor they can barely sustain themselves.
Some women were raped, do you suggest they keep the child of rape?
Do you even think about what happens to a child when they are born to a mother that can’t take care of them? The kind of trauma they have to go through and possible hellhole of social services and adoptive families they can get into?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Downvote me all you want, reality is not all sunshine and rainbows and people sometimes have to make ugly decisions. Harassing a person when they are at their low point does not make you better somehow.
shame, I agreed with most of everything you posted on this site until now. God sets before us life and death. Choose life. Unfortunately, you choose death. You choose to end any life that those babies would have. Besides murder, another problem with abortion is that the mothers and fathers reap what they sow to the babies. I suspect that a lot of problems in the world today are due to mother, fathers, abortion nurses and doctors, government officials reaping what they have sown. The abortion industry won’t tell you about all of the problems that result from abortion because they need people like you to make money for them by doing mental gymnastics to describe murder. In reality, abortion is the choice that spreads mental, physical and spiritual consequences to all of those involved. It is not in your best interest to try and justify murder. If you or someone you know had an abortion, you can repent, accept Christ’s sacrifice for your sins, and follow him.
In animal kingdom when mothers can not care for the offspring they will refuse to feed it and leave it to die. Some creatures will eat their own offspring in scarcity situations. Are the animals choosing death in this case? Or are they just optimising for survival?
In nature, life eats life constantly. Resources are limited. Not all life that is born is meant to be. It’s sad but it’s true.
Same goes for people unfortunately. Human children require even more time and resources than animal children. So there will be situations when someone can not be a parent for one reason or another.
It’s just life.
As I see you all ignore the comlicated cases I’ve described, I no longer wish to continue this discussion.
We are held above animals. I am sorry you have believed that somehow we are animals but we’re not. There is no Just Life my friend. I didnt ignore the complicated cases. I agree life is not easy. It’s not for man to judge another. – it isn’t.
All the best.
#excellent Rosey, thank you.
Well said
No one is saying any one is better. People have lived who should not have lived for the benefit of many people around them. To encourage people to care and to be compassionate and to learn and find ways to improve lives is the way. No one’s life is sunshine and rainbows.
There are absolutes and there have to be. The absolutes don’t belong to man- but they protect humans from themselves. Lack of absolutes draws men down strange and ugly roads where decisions can be made to end lives via state sponsored killing i.e. MAID, late term abortion is simply murdering a child I don’t care if you support abortion – this is the case at least be honest. And whilst being honest remember that that doctors do not consider it abortion when a mothers life is to be saved. We are all grown ups here and know full well exactly how many rapes, incest babies and mothers lives there are Vs unprotected sex. Let’s not use the exceptions to excuse bad bad decisions. We all make bad decisions. Some are more difficult to live with than others
Simply put the lack of absolutes allows man to bend and flex with any current fancy. As long as you agree with the current thing – that’s fine. But it won’t be long before it comes for you and yours and you don’t agree anymore …all wrapped up in a cosy name such as “family planning” or “dignity in dying.” Rules not based on absolutes any longer where the current thing decides whether you live or die. You and your family have no say. Walk that road at your peril.
I used to hold to this position for decades. People’s choices and bad decisions are entirely up to them but I do not have to embrace it and it’s not an issue on any level to point out to someone if they ask – “you know, that might not be a good idea.” That is truly loving your fellow man.
Also for the love of all that is holy opt out of the organ register. Please.
So why are you arguing with me when you seem to agree that there are cases when abortions happen because there are valid reasons for them? I don’t get it.
I don’t believe in absolutes, because there are always edge cases. Is murder bad? Sure. Is it still bad if the person was attacking you and you had to defend yourself? Context is king.
All I wanted to say is that harassing women near abortion clinics is not helpful because you don’t know why any specific woman had to come to this decision. And I wanted to highlight that the motivation behind this harassment is shallow. That’s it.
But people just had to go on their crusade and call me a child sacrificer. Lmao. So funny.
Who’s arguing my friend? I’m not saying people don’t have specific sets of circumstances – of course they do – but I’m saying the choices they make are their choices to make and despite an initial “gain” may not be the best choices. However you mentioned moral absolutes. The moral absolute is that we should not murder. If you choose to murder – that is your choice…just call it what it is. Don’t call it family planning. That is a lie.
I agree no one should be harassing anyone. Someone saying a prayer for the mum or the child is not harassing anyone. If someone grows a conscience by seeing one pray…it can make them stop and think that is all. “We don’t want those people there cos they make her feel bad.” No they make her think. If she feels bad or guilty…why would that be? Because she is about to murder a human being with the states permission. Think about that.
I emphasize I was in your position a very short time ago. I did mental gymnastics to allow a woman to kill a baby. I don’t do that anymore. It scares me we walk with the state to allow these deaths….what deaths will we get upset about?
…hhhhoooOOOOPP**!! #slamdunk
What’s a sith? You mean a fantasy character that doesn’t exist?
I know a young father who used to think just like you, until declining an amniocentesis, discovered his first child (from solid stock on both sides) was born with catastrophic injuries medicine hasn’t even begun to figure out yet. He told me he is immeasurably grateful now he didn’t know then, and their second child is a perfect little porcelain redheaded cherub, and they’re all tighter than ever. (…nobody gets left behind…) {Said damaged baby is making remarkable strides, btw…God IS Good…ALL the time…*}
I do not think it is their decision to make. If a baby or a woman is to live or die, that its up to God, not them. Of course the baby cannot decide. So we all go against the woman who decides to kill her baby because that is murder. And murdering a baby can never be right. It is what it is.
So taking medicine is also going against God? If it’s not for people to decide whether to live or not?
This argument is lacking any depth or nuance and I got so bored that I no longer wish to engage. Bye.
mechanical is as bad as a satanist paedophile
That isn’t helpful. I wasn’t a Satanist paedophile when I held a similar position. I just fell for the lies. It’s sad we have gotten here. Why do countries do this? He’s not believing anything that isn’t acceptable in mainstream circles. All the arguments are the same. But at the end of the day a death is a death. Listening to abortionists who no longer practiced broke my heart truly. They admit to being monsters. May God forgive them.
Phamacopeia Greek etym is translated as what, Christians…? (…peat and repeat…) Choose your poison, choose your cure.
Explain what you mean please. Do you mean letting nature take its course and no medical intervention? And then you are likening that to killing a baby as if it is a medical procedure? Which of course it gets presented as. Apologies – genuine question – I don’t know what you mean.
Have you had an abortion?
#nailedthatone* (GOD pounds HEIS OWN nails…) <axe me how I gno…or just as anyone of the many "filthy" witnesses I've now confessed to willingly in order to alleviate their shame…one elderly feller I was holding the door for quipped, "Return to sender*) and the young alcoholic who came crazily close to death during a walking blackout half naked he was rolling out replied (mindlessly) "Address unknown".
I replied, "Thank you, sir!" (and tipped my "hat" to the lady…she was just playing along with the song game, both are all good by me)…
Are people called to love, or to sit and point fingers…? (asking for a dearest friend..)
(hiGH 5’s @Jimmy Jam (swoOP, there it is…*). Everyone has to work through their own pain, shame and debts and stop peeking up under everyone else’s kulottes. #ffs
I am sorry, mechanical, I have read your comment and I understand your reasoning, but I believe there are some things that need a deeper look.
“”Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations”
This is something every embryologist, worldwide can confirm and goes hand in hand with this specific biblical verse and not only. I don’t know if you are religious or not, let’s ignore this aspect and think about it – it’s genetics and developmental biology that demonstrate that the embryo at all stages of its development is an individual of the human kind at its initial life cycle.
I personally know 4 women that took that decision. They all regret it to this day. Two of them were never able to have kids of their own again and one even tried everything she could think of for 13 years in a row. Two of them made an abortion because they were not ready to be mothers. Another one because of trauma and because her partener was not ready to be a father.
Personhood begins at fertilization. Yes, we can already talk about a life here. Like it or not, it’s a life. I am a mother that went through that terrible routine of monitoring her pregnancy. I am not lying you when saying there is a little heart beating inside only three weeks apart from conception.
I want to make it very clear that I’m not raising the stone against any woman, but I’m blaming the decision. Their reasons may vary, but it’s still a murder. Cosmeticizing this issue by providing an endless list of reasons why mothers take away those lives doesn’t make it look better. Even when we talk about rape abortion is the bigger evil. The woman in cause replaces an evil with something more evil. Have no illusion – to the “industry” the mothers that abort have just as little value as the “piece of meat” they throw in the toilet. It sounds harsh maybe, but the truth is terrible.
Anyway, if you haven’t seen it by now, I recommend you and anybody here to watch the short documentary “The Silent Scream” on youtube. It might do a better job in help you change your mind. This is one video I will never be able to forget!
In the end, as a woman and mother I believe every child’s life, born or unborn, is more important than that of a woman because he simply did no wrong. yes, I think he is more valuable than the mother that’s ready to kill. Poor choice of words, but I think you understand what I mean.
I guess that’s the difference between us – I value the mother’s life more, because she’s already here, is already a person and is already suffering.
I don’t think any woman would make that kind of decision easily. For me even thinking about this procedure makes me deeply uncomfortable.
And I personally do not agree about the rape – this child will likely always remind the mother of the trauma she had to endure. Will the mother even have the emotional capacity to love this child? Or will she always resent them? Very heavy subject. It’s just all around a nighmarish scenario.
This is why I feel sad for the women who for one reason or another decided to go through with it. And that’s why I think that harassing these women is not okay and is a cheap way for some people to feel morally superior.
These women are already having the worst time of their life, leave them alone.
Anyway, thank you for intelligent discussion and not throwing names at me.
This website is wild sometimes 🙂
I agree it is sometimes wild. As for throwing names, there is always place for a civilised discussion, even when I strongly disapprove something being said.
Yes, my blood boils when I think about babies and I strongly believe abortion has consequences on multiple levels. Sooner or later, we will all answer before God for every decision we make. (In Michele’s words, we reap what we sow). I also believe God is merciful and willing to forgive those repenting and willing to correct their mistakes. There’s not much to be done, unfortunately, for those poor women (and they are many) that die when choosing the easy way out by undergoing an abortion. No time for them left for washing the wrong. It’s really more tragic than we can think of. Even if some end up saying “there is no God” imagine there is this baby not being given the chance to become a good man or a good woman in this dark world and make a difference… and this woman that cuts her own chance of being genuinely loved and cared for.
…and with this the world grows darker for us all!
I agree. It’s a living hell, either way. Double-bind, catch-22, etc. And I am NEVER making light of it in any single aspect. But I would have lost my other two regardless, one way or another. The ones their dad would accept (until he kicked them to the curb, too, after hounding their mother very nearly to the grave with his “circle of friends” > hint – all cops. #ROSEMADDER
My own horrible, wretched history (and that of my mom and grandmom…and her sisters who raised her…the “good seed” – said by her primary abuser and one of mine as he molested her…and what he did to me is MY business with him ()_…and my own “sperm doner” – thank you SIR, I can work up another…lougee….*) has helped to mend a 21yr old excellent dad who lost both of his babies, ages 3 and 1. And my tears and shame are scalded away (at looooooonnnng last…thank our most HOLY Creator!! (…and said 21y.o. immediately had already begun to heal a “ghosted” 17y.o. young man left bereft and both were feeling the friendly fireworks starting when I left RAC*)
And I’ve washed my hands of them both…they’re in HEIS hands now. So good to be free!!
You’re right…it’s called an embryo…then fetus…etc…normal stages of (presumably) HUman growth and development (allegedly).
Maybe don’t open your legs?
Lame argument, try better.
Thanks, mechanical. You do have a heart, no doubt. Just wounded in your own way. Being abandoned or hopeless of your own companionship is a slow suicide.
Sorry, best quit #spamming (mayhaps thyme to go grind up my own…could might still happen…) ….someday…..*
Didn’t you see the horrific pix from the Hamas #kite attacks? Did those women axe for that treatment, too? Do the Palestinans? Does Russia or Ukraine…stop acting like a SCUD, sil vous plait, thankee sai…(curtseys*)
Consider your vulgar words friend.
I agree. Protesting is a free speech act. You attack the act of protesting, you attack freedom. This is a slippery slope my friend.
Abortion is not legal in the UK. Why band protesting clinics? People can abort legally and so can people can protest it. Win, win. One side gets to abort their child and the other can express themselves without fear of persecution.
In our area they stand outside preaching love and offer safe delivery, fully paid for by the protestors network(s) then place the child into ready families. Predators? Friends? The dividing line is sometimes as thin as a gossamer thread. Takes someone who can tell the difference between a prophet and a charlatan…both often look like the “same” Vesica Pisces…it takes excellent senses to divine so finely.
Hard times is understandable but why not use a morning after pill ? An early pill before it looks human is a lot different than chopping them live into pieces because of poverty
Devaluing human life. Weren’t politicians working on passing euthanasia laws in the U.K too?
European countries are leading this initiative, yes.
Disgusting
I love the way Prophetess Tiphani Montgomery had pointed out the hypocrisy of the government, regarding what they call “women’s right” they say: “Women’s bodies, women’s choice” while in 2020 (Covid-19) they had given you no rights over your own body until forcing you to inject poison into your body and forcing that same body to stay at home and worst of all to this day still haven’t apologized!
In this case, in 2020, it also should have been “My body and my choice!”
If these women want to kill their babies, they are guilty of murder, it’s true, it’s their body and their choice, but is that choice the right one?
Free will always comes with consequences, God had clearly said I set before you life and death, choose life!
In other words, the best decision is : LIFE.
Yes, free will, but the other option is : DEATH.
Prophetess who?
The reason Kamala Harris is so insistent on abortion is because she serves a deity named Moloch who demands the blood of innocent beings!
Every woman who has an abortion enters into a spiritual contract (covenant) with this entity, from which everything in their lives keeps getting aborted: their projects, relationships, excessive miscarriages, etc.
Prophetess Tiphani Montgomery teaches a lot on that subject, go hear her on YouTube!
(….squeak…*)
So if I wear a necklace of giant aborted babies and pretend to be pro Satanist to the point it embarrasses them will that be banned too?
I think I’m one of the only people here who agree and disagree with everything.
First, there are good reasons for abortions sometimes. But let’s face it there are not good excuses for these people to wait months, it really depends on timing. A pill for after a few days to couple weeks to dislodge an egg is a lot different than killing a live baby, with little eyelashes and toes, taking a giant razor and needing to chop it into pieces, it is not okay. If the mother’s life is on the line we can do better than this, there are now those fake uterus machines they could try, if there aren’t options and the woman is needing to take care of her other children then we need to deliver another way. I can’t see how chopping it up and killing it is easier on the mother than just removal through cesarian and putting it into incubation or high tech etc. we pay for guys to chop intestines to insert and pretend they are vaginas, girls to hack breasts and use arms as fake penises but when it comes it helping mothers deliver safe then it just can’t be done? C’mon. And if you get raped and wait months then I’m sorry you have waited too long. If it looks like a baby it’s a baby and you’re too late to that party. Maybe if you’re 12 years old raped by your father and in a satanic cult and don’t want baby to be ate while it’s alive so you throw yourself down the stairs or into a car I understand but there should be safe ways to get early induced labor and auto homes for baby and people in situations like that. If there aren’t then we need to step up somehow.
Some folks say I’m a dreamer, well @marie, you’re not the only one….(the best dreams CAN come true) “A (WO)MAN *CAN* CHANGE H(E)IS STARS” — A Knight’s Tale, starring the late Heath Ledger, Knighted Son of a Thatcher (turned blind weaver…)