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Seems funny how surface level your โexposureโ of the occult is in our world. Posting one eye signs in advertising is just dipping your toe in the water. The problem is that time and time again, youโve proven yourself to believe the opposite of what weโre about on this site. And no amount of one eye advertisements are going to suddenly change our perception. Iโm sorry. You need to ask Jesus to forgive you and repent of the lifestyle youโre in. Itโs not about finding the god within, Steven. Itโs about a personal relationship with the creator of the universe.
Repent of your lifestyle is works salvation. You’re going to split hell wide open.
Repent =/= repent of sins
where is hell?
Hell is a condition of the soul. An inner condition of unrest, anguish, and ignorance. Disconnection from truth.
The fires of hell can purify and prepare the soul to ultimately seek wisdom, just as gold is refined by heating to remove impurities.
Live your life with your hand on the hot stove or upgrade your consciousness.
Iโm new, what did he do?
He likes kids and enjoys drugs and pretends heโs some enlightened being instead of submitting to Jesus to save his soul. The founder of VC is a Christian as are many of us here. The bottom line is he is doing the devils work.
Why didnโt you ask me directly instead of the mob?
I said that bodies doesnโt go from beautiful to disgusting from 18 to 17.9 and that you can keep incrementally going down in age and the human form is still beautiful and not disgusting.
The insecure trolls full of shame donโt phase me. Iโve got truth on my side.
From โThe I Chingโ (Yijing or Book of Changes):
โThe superior man, when he stands alone, is unconcerned, and if he has to renounce the world, he is undaunted.โ
You didn’t say 17.9 though, it was more like 14.
Not a single one of you have yet to designate at which point from 17.9 that a body becomes disgusting.
it was more like โthe curvey shaped 14 years oldโ. that alone speaks volumes about the condition of his soul. That together with advocating for beastiality.
You still havenโt answered my question.
It’s that you consider them “bodies.” As though their main purpose is for your pleasure, ignoring that they are not emotionally or spiritually mature yet. This is exactly why Satanists target children, so that they can be sexualized before they’re mature. This is incredibly damaging to them.
You’re moving the goal post. My point has always been that there are 14 year olds with the body of a 24 year old and vice versa. I’ve never advocated uncouth interactions with children.
I just scrolled down and loaded the last three months and ” control+f “-ed my name. I’ve made 9 posts. Your name came up zero times.
Your contribution to the site is spreading hate and lies.
VC or someone that they have vetted has to approve posts before they show up. If you’ve followed their work at all, you’d know that taking notice of the one eye signal has been the bread and butter of their “symbols of the month” blog for over a decade.
This is one of the only forums in the world where we take note of this particular pattern.
Sometimes it is just an “artsy” choice.
Sometimes it is a synchromystic “happy accident” that the creative force of the universe facilitated.
Sometimes it is a purposefully show of submission to the one eye cult.
It’s not always obvious which is the case.
“Itโs not about finding the god within, Steven”
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Luke 17:19-21
And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:ย neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
“the kingdom of God is within you”
The kingdom represents latent spiritual faculties and mystical states of consciousness that can be awakened through spiritual disciplines. Divine wisdom and power resides untapped within.
Jesus taught that the true kingdom of God is not something that can be seen or observed with the physical eyes, but rather it is something that is within each person.
Romans 14:17
“For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”
– Links the kingdom to spiritual fruits that can be cultivated.
Hebrews 5:14
“But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.”
– Suggests spiritual faculties are strengthened through constant discipline.
2 Corinthians 3:18
“And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another.”
– Implies mystical transformation through spiritual contemplation.
Matthew 5:48
“You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
– Perfection implies fully realized spiritual faculties and mystical consciousness.
2 Peter 1:5
“For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge…”
– Encourages effort to develop spiritual qualities associated with enlightenment.
Genesis 5:1
“In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him.”
John 14:16-17, Jesus says:
“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.”
I’m on team “Spirit of truth”.
I’m also more in alignment with the idea that “accepting Jesus in your heart” is not about accepting salvation, but rather tuning into the intuitive spiritual wisdom and enlightenment he represents that already exists within all people. The Advocate or Spirit of truth is the inner wisdom that can guide humanity to mystic knowledge and connection with the ultimate reality.
The fact that statements such as that beckon vitriolic hate from so called Christians instead of healthy dialogue speaks volumes.
Interesting how none of this suggests taking drugs. You just embarrass yourself every time you re-emerge. Are you not getting enough attention out there ? ๐
Interestingly, drug use is specifically banned by the Bible. In ancient times, it was called sorcery. The Greek for it is “pharmakeia.”
I hear you, but I don’t think the Bible was talking about drugs like medical marijuana. Sorcery back then referred more to using substances in occult rituals or manipulating people with potions. Modern medicine is very different.
Marijuana can help people who are suffering from pain, nausea, anxiety, etc. Jesus healed the sick – I think he’d show compassion to those finding relief through cannabis today.
The Bible says we should care for our bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit. For some people, marijuana allows them to do that when other treatments haven’t worked.
There are definitely risks if marijuana is misused. But many find it brings them closer to God and helps in their spiritual journey. I don’t believe we need to categorically condemn all drugs. We should weight their medical benefits against potential for abuse, just as with any medicine.
With an open and discerning mind, we can make wise choices. The core principle should be alleviating suffering and nurturing personal development.
So how exactly can something like marijuana nurture spiritual growth? Well, for starters, it can produce mystical experiences that give you glimpses of this whole expanded reality and consciousness. Pretty trippy, right?
It also makes you reflect more on your beliefs and place in the universe, sparking those deep spiritual insights. Some people feel a profound oneness with nature or others or the divine itself when using entheogens. Spiritual awe and connection.
These substances have also been used in ceremonies forever to facilitate connection with the sacred. There is religious artwork all over of Jesus and saints with Amanita Muscaria, the Mario mushroom.
Another way is it stimulates creativity and helps people interpret religious traditions in fresh ways. And by dampening ego, it allows you to contemplate things from a more objective, compassionate state of mind. And that can really further moral and spiritual growth.
Of course, you gotta be wise and cautious, it comes with risks if you don’t do your homework and respect the substance.
There is no definitive evidence that entheogens are directly advocated in the Bible or by major Biblical teachers. However, some speculate entheogens may be hinted at or referenced obliquely in certain passages:
There are certainly perspectives within Christianity and Biblical teachings that caution against using entheogens:
So there are definitely sustainable Biblical cases against entheogen use based on prohibitions against sorcery, mandates for sobriety, and cautions against false visions. However, views differ on whether moderate, thoughtful entheogen use necessarily contradicts Christian teaching.
You advocate wide spread drug use, praise AI, are attracted to minors, and your spiritual beliefs are new age Satanism, should you really be judging the contributions of others?
All I’m seeing is twisting of scripture taken out of context. For instance, “Be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect.” The point of this verse, as well as the rest of the Beatitudes, is that it is impossible to achieve. You need a mediator to achieve such a state. Furthermore, “accepting Jesus in your heart” is found nowhere in the Bible. Instead, what you find is Romans 10:4: “If you declare with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” That means belief and obedience is what grants salvation, because salvation is a free gift from God that was paid by Jesus’ death.
When the serpent said “You will be as gods, knowing good and evil,” he was telling them exactly what you are telling us. THIS, right here, is why so many here oppose you. It is because you are repeating the lies of the serpent. You are trying to achieve by your own effort that which only God can do. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 says “Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changedโ in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.” Do not try to speed up the process or shortcut the connection to the spiritual. The Bible condemns sorcery, which is what you’re practicing.
I urge you to let the Bible interpret itself and not foist your own ideas upon it. Reading the Bible and letting it speak has changed my life. For years, I put my own lusts before the Bible and let them influence how I understood it, but the more I read, the more I realized I was wrong.
That is the issue. The pharisees believe that their virtues count before God, like Cain did.
They see a verse like “be perfect” and they be like “no sweat!”.
No sweat? You mean like Jesus doing all the work for you?
Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”
Sounds to me like the spiritual path one must follow to attain enlightenment and perfection is difficult. The “narrow gate” represents the rigorous self-discipline and commitment required. Many prefer the easy “broad road” of materialism and selfishness. But the wise see that real fulfillment comes from the “narrow road” of spiritual development.
I don’t see spirituality as an “either/or” thing. I respect what Christianity offers, but I also think there’s wisdom in other faiths too. I’m not trying to twist scripture, just offer an interpretation that helps people grow spiritually.
The passages you mentioned highlight how imperfect we are and how we need salvation. But I don’t see a conflict between accepting salvation through Christ while also working on your own spiritual growth. Connection to divinity requires effort on our part – “pressing on toward the goal,” as Paul says.
I’m not saying we can instantly achieve full enlightenment. But each act of compassion, each mindful moment brings us a step closer. I follow Jesus’ example while also learning from other teachers and traditions. I think critically about all wisdom, including the Bible. My goal is to connect with the source behind all religions, not replace Christianity.
Your caution against “speeding up the process” is well-taken. Spiritual growth takes a lifetime. But I believe humanity’s divine potential makes it worth the effort. My view matches Jesus urging us to “be perfect.” I don’t mean instant perfection, but see it as a guiding star for our journey.
I’m open to keep discussing. Iron sharpens iron, right? Mutual understanding may show our basic unity even with different language.
Spirituality IS an either/or thing, though. Either there is one true way, or Christianity is absolutely wrong. Christianity is orthogonal to every other faith. Jesus taught “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but through me.” Every other faith teaches that good works are required or that special knowledge is necessary to achieve enlightenment. “Iโm not trying to twist scripture…” but that’s exactly what you’re doing. For instance, you claim that we are all taking your words about sleeping with 14 year olds out of context. What if we are? If so, we are using eisegesis to make you into an evil person based on our faulty interpretation. So what about God? You have your own ideas about spiritual enlightenment, and you press them upon the Bible, despite what the context says. You insert things like “the wine at Cana may have been psychoactive” and “the burning bush may have been DMT” (paraphrasing) without any indication from the context within the Bible.
We as humans were disconnected from the spiritual realm (had our ability to create our own DMT mostly cut off) because we sinned against God, and must be redeemed. We wanted knowledge of good and evil, and we got it good and hard. But with that knowledge, our ability to perceive had to be reduced so that we wouldn’t go crazy. The spiritual world had already gone off the rails at that point with hatred for humanity, so if we were to be able to perceive that, it would be like watching non-stop gore horror. We weren’t able to perceive it before because we didn’t have that knowledge. We weren’t granted access without the forbidden fruit. But you insist on continuing to get all of it, without knowing what you’re actually getting.
I, personally, speak harshly with you because you need to know the evil with which you are playing. Just as a parent absolutely screams bloody murder at their child who is playing in traffic to get out of the street, so I urge you to abandon “enlightenment” and seek salvation. No amount of “knowledge” can save you. Being “nice” doesn’t save the child playing in the street from getting splattered by a semi. A loving parent or friend or neighbor will rip that child out of the street, risking bruises and scrapes on the child to spare them being ripped limb from limb, entrails strewn about.
You also mentioned the wide and narrow gates. Good. So what is the wide gate? You say it is selfishness. That is only part of it. But what sin is chief among all, but pride? It is the source of all sin. Lust: My desires are more important than God’s plan. Greed: My wants are more important than my actual needs. Wrath: My vengeance is more important than justice. And on and on. But also: self-importance: I don’t need God’s help; I can achieve divinity on my own. Jesus is God in the flesh, sent to pay for your sins (John 3:16-17). But you say “No thanks, if I just take the right drugs, commune with the right spirits, and be nice and compassionate, I can achieve enlightenment.” But what of those who can’t? Tough luck? Jesus came to save the least of us, those who were uneducated, lame, sick, criminals, broken. Why? Because any sin is a stain, an imperfection. Good luck offering up an otherwise tasty offering to God with even just 5% feces. But that’s what you’re doing, though the percentage is optimistic. So what is the narrow gate? It is true humility and submission. I’m not talking self-abasement, but understanding who you actually are. I am unworthy, but loved anyways. Jesus loved me enough, that when I was still a sinner, he paid my penalty, and he paid for yours, too. But you can only be saved if you understand that you have a penalty that needs to be paid, and that you cannot pay it. Instead, it has already been paid.
While Jesus presents himself as the way to the father, he also preaches unconditional love, compassion, and unity among all people.
Rather than an either/or, I see a both/and. We can follow Christ’s example while honoring universal spiritual truths across traditions. No one has a monopoly on the divine. Sincere seekers, through many paths, can find salvation and enlightenment.
Entheogens, wisely used, have helped many deepen spiritual insights. But, you’re right, they can be abused. Moderation and reverence are key. While entheogenic references in the Bible may be speculative, so too are bans on all psychoactive sacraments. There are two sides here.
We all struggle with human limitations, ego and temptations. Spiritual pride is indeed hazardous. True enlightenment requires humility. But we need not vilify the search for knowledge, which can uplift us. Nor should we abandon compassion for those stumbling on their path. As Rumi said, “Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder.”
Christ’s love is a gift freely offered to all. But each must do their part – living by his example, surrendering ego, serving others. There are no shortcuts. Still, it’s not binary – saved versus damned. Progress toward divinity is gradual. With patience and wisdom, entheogens can assist some on this journey, dangerous as it may be. But we must meet all souls where they are with empathy, as Christ did.
In the end, I feel we share a yearning for meaning and truth. Dialogue, not condemnation, can bring mutual understanding. There are many rooms in God’s mansion. Though paths vary, we need not bar the door on fellow seekers. With compassion and discernment, perhaps we can walk further together.
“Truth is one; sages call it by many names.” – Hindu proverb
You use a misguided version of unity. The unity that the Bible teaches is unity to God. Should we be united with evil? With child molestors? With necropheliacs? Absolutely not! And to claim that no one has a monopoly on divinity is to spit in the face of God. God is the only divine one. You, in your pride, believe that you can earn enlightenment. What a stuck-up view! You think you are that important? You believe that you can become equivalent to God based on your own effort? Hah! God laughs in your face. You have already sinned, therefore you deserve to die, just like everyone else.
On entheogens, you are conflating issues. What the Bible bans outright is the use of psychoactives to achieve the ends that you seek: “enlightenment.” I don’t disagree that there are medicinal uses, and I don’t have strong opinions on that. But using them to sidestep God’s spiritual giftings and take those gifts by force when you were not given them is what is banned.
If you are using Christ as your example, you must use all of him. He was empathetic to the broken and the humble. However, he was harsh and corrective to the proud. You are proud. You believe that you don’t need Jesus, and that your effort is good enough. Your effort is less than dirt to God. You need to be torn down and brought low, like a leper. You claim to be humble while believing you can be divine ON YOUR OWN! What a ludicrous statement! You lie to yourself. I don’t see it as helpful to sugarcoat your status before God. As you stand now, you’re going to die, and it’s going to be very painful for you because you ignore the reality of hell, a real place reserved for the angels who disobeyed. I am warning you because I love you as a fellow human being. If I pretend that maybe you have a point, then I do you no favors.
So why does the Bible tell us to do good? Because it’s the right thing to do. Not because we reach enlightenment through it. There is only one path that leads to life, and I have no desire to try any other path, or encourage anyone to pursue those paths. I only desire to unite people to the true path. It’s true, there are many rooms in God’s mansion, but they are for those who are sealed with God’s seal. Why? Because God is Love. If we accept God’s offer of salvation, then we accept his love and are given eternal life. If we reject his offer, then we reject his love. So what is he to do, but to cast us from his presence? Your idea of God is one that erases love in favor of pure merit. Numbers on a spreadsheet. So then, what is the point? There is only a point if God is love.
I understand this is a sensitive topic that evokes strong reactions. However, accusations and threats cross a line and are neither constructive nor Christlike.
We can debate theology without resorting to saying fellow Christians deserve to die or condemning them as less than dirt. That helps no one and goes against Jesus’ teachings on loving one’s neighbor.
Rather than make assumptions about my motives or relationship with God, I’d encourage you to get to know me as a person. You might find we share fundamental values even if we differ on some beliefs.
My aim is not to equate myself with God or reject God’s love. Like you, I’m sincerely following my path as I understand it. There’s room for different interpretations.
I don’t claim to have all the answers. But proclaiming you know for certain someone deserves eternal suffering seems the height of spiritual pride to me. Only God can judge our standing.
I wish you no ill will. But insults and threats suggest you seek to condemn, not understand. Let’s move forward with grace, humility and compassion for each other as children of God. If we open our hearts, we might be surprised what we have in common.
What this site needs is less theological and conceptual debate and more unity against the evil in the world. I find it utterly silly to be so bothered by another’s theological views. So long as tbey stand for goodness and truth, let others believe what they want.
We seek truth but no matter the truth we find, we will always only know in part, and it isn’t until after we die that we will know the whole. Stop fighting each other.