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BBC News used the term "people assigned female at birth" instead of "women" in an article

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Fleurdamour
Fleurdamour
1 month ago

I could not get my head around this language either, my brain stopped at “pregnant people.” Then someone explained to me that if someone was biologically female and is transitioning to male as long as they have a womb and ovaries, they can still get pregnant for a while before the hormones pass a point of no return or they have those organs removed, even though they are technically no longer entirely female. So these terms include anyone who still has a womb and some persistence of the female cycles. But I agree that it’s extremely dehumanizing to women to apply this term to them, too, without asking how they feel about it. It doesn’t seem to come up that no one can define what a man is, the ambiguity always seems to be employed (weaponized) against women.

Lemondaisies
Lemondaisies
1 month ago
Reply to  Fleurdamour

Interesting, right? Genetic men insisting on being their preferred gender by forcing women to accept their preference. Hmm. Male chauvinism anybody?

Eeeee
Eeeee
1 month ago
Reply to  Lemondaisies

Female to male trans people exist and also prefer this language so i dont know what your point is

Fleurdamour
Fleurdamour
1 month ago
Reply to  Eeeee

My point is that women should be consulted about how they want to be referred to and their wishes should be respected.

Terf31
Terf31
1 month ago

After all the years of misogyny, they are still finding ways to oppress women by reducing them to genitalia and body parts. As a women I find language like this demeaning and dehumanizing.

Eeeee
Eeeee
1 month ago
Reply to  Terf31

There is no way to do this to make everyone hapoy. I dont think “men who can make a baby” would be any better for trans men when they are brought up in such articles. Lol

Emily
Emily
1 month ago

I know most of you probably never did this anyway but I’ve decided to stop using the preferred pronouns of these people. I only ever wanted to be kind and polite and assumed that they understood they were still really the sex they think they changed, and always would be. So there was no real harm in it. But I was being naive because these people genuinely believe that sex is all in the mind and nothing to do with even chromosomes. Going along with what they want, even a little, is funding the mass delusion.
I don’t know how to treat gender dysphoria but mutilating surgery is surely a last resort after years of counselling. I think a lot of the new transgenders come from teenagers finding solace in belonging to groups online like they used to be goths and emos etc. It’s the new ‘thing’ to belong to. What are other people’s thoughts about all this? Has anybody had an encounter when they had to speak up about it and how did it go?

Samii
Samii
1 month ago
Reply to  Emily

I don’t think it is just all in their head as such. Here’s my theory, we are showered all day everyday with harmful, (and a lot of the time synthetic) chemical junk. It’s in almost everything, your clothes, food (especially junk/processed food), the pots you cook with, water, the air we breath, beauty products, hygiene products, furniture, pharmaceuticals, there is nowhere this shit hasn’t touched. Chemicals like, the range of forever chemicals, glyphosate, fluoride, phanoxyethenol, nitrates/nitrites, etc. The list is endless. You see these chemicals are disruptive to the human body, some are endocrine and hormone disrupters, amongst other horrible things. Hormones are basically chemicals that regulate and control certain organs and cells in your body. When a foetus is growing in the mother’s womb, hormones play an important role in helping it grow and develop. Now what kind of effect do you think these hormone disruptive chemicals are going to have on an unborn fetus and their sexual organ development, brain development and how the overall body works? If hormones are fireing off in an unnatural way in fetus development, do you think it could have unnatural effects on a human?

Eeeee
Eeeee
1 month ago
Reply to  Samii

You have a point. So if these people are born this way due to plastics and chemicals in the water and the food then what is the most humane thing to do? Treat them with dignity and respect, politeness as we would like done to us, or to bother them and demoralize them constantly for what they cannot control?

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Fleurdamour
Fleurdamour
1 month ago
Reply to  Eeeee

I knew someone would just have to come on here making it a zero sum game pitting women VS trans people. That is not what we are talking about. We are talking about how this new language while purporting to be inclusive is highly marginalizing to women. No one asked us, and a lot of us don’t like it.

Samii
Samii
1 month ago
Reply to  Eeeee

I think you more or less answered that question yourself. In my eyes, you treat the majority of people in the same way you would like to be treated. I say majority because I draw the line at people who harm children and dirty nonces, that lot should be tortured to death.

Polly
Polly
1 month ago

This is not about misogyny, it is about the societal acceptance of gender confusion and erasing traditional (male/female) sexuality and unions. This terms have been around for a while I used to frequent some leftist YouTube spaces to get better acquainted with the terminology and assigned female/male are birth is widely used. The worst I ever came across was “menstruators”.
This is the natural consequence of a generation without proper father and mother figures. I’ve experienced some dysphoria, nothing too serious. I grew up without a mother and was unsure as to how I should conduct myself in the society as a woman. A society in which gender roles have been decimated doesn’t make figuring this out any easier.
I can understand how children who are at the bottom of their social hierarchy, have self-esteem issues, can be swayed by very welcoming and understanding online communities. It’s tragic really.